ninehertz

1. • Jack
   • they sound better, they glow which is cool, the are relatively cheap to fix, though definitly get someone who knows what they're doing for safety reasons etc
   • [15:07 on 29/09/08]
2. • bad admiral
   • anything jack says should be ignored as he is a TOTAL valve SLAG and can't even pronounce the word TRANSISTOR.
     
     sorry jack.
   • [15:39 on 29/09/08]
3. • Jack
   • yup i'm gonna get a valve tattooed on my arm and slag it up even more
   • [15:44 on 29/09/08]
4. • bad admiral
   • i heard you were getting a chestpiece of two swallows bearing a banner with "all valve amps in the world" and a heart in the background.
     
     maybe some nautical stars as well.
   • [15:50 on 29/09/08]
5. • Podge
   • MatthewRedStars says:

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     humm... i think we'll have to disagree on that one.
     
     I'll admit that valves sound nice, hence my 2 or more pedals bit but the "any local repair shop can fix an old broken valve head because they are incredibly simple. If a tranny amp blows anything other than a fuse its back to an authorised repairer for a new PCB" is far from true, i can find you 3 places in sheff that will happily drill a pcb and replace any part on it, i've had them all do it to my stuff yet its really really hard to find a valve tech, we had to go to a guy in nottingham who gets stuff sent up from london and all over, if it was easy to do, i'd not have to go to another city.
     
     as for the watts bit, all those tranny amps have been correct, watts is not a unit of volume. watts is a very poor industry standard way of measuring volume but its the only one anyone uses.
     
     i like valve amps, i just think trannys are a viable alternative
   • [17:25 on 29/09/08]
6. • MatthewRedStars
   • Watts may be a poor measure of volume, but a Watt is a Watt, one joule per second.
     
     A 300W transistor amp should put 300 joules per second into the speaker, a 300W valve amp should put 300 joules per second into the speaker.
     
     If the speakers are identical then the conversion of power to sound will be identical.
     
     This is clearly not the case.
     
     There are two possible conclusions:
     
     1) That a valve (that i can look at and calibrate) puts out 3 to 4 times it theoretical limit breaking the laws of physics.
     
     Or
     
     2) That transistor amp output ratings (that i cannot check) are massively exaggerated.
     
     With a valve amp you know what you get.. you count the valves and you know what the output is. With a transistor amp you simply have to trust the manufacturer.
   • [17:49 on 29/09/08]
7. • Beerman
   • No point is getting into an Orange is great / Orange is rubbish argument especially as Alan hasn't said what he needs it for, or what his budget is yet. But in defense of the Stoner icon that is Orange all I can say is that it's a flares thing. I used to have a pair of Orange cabs many moons ago.
     
     Alan, go sites like Harmony Central where you'll get a cross section of views. There are many such sites, I'm not pushing this one. Some guy there have been playing with top flight equipment for 25 years.
     
     reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Bass+Amp/product/Orange/A...
     
     The link I've given is for the Orange 200 Bass amp but they do all sorts. Most gave it 9 or 10/10 except 2 jazz musicians who thought it "farted" when the volume was turned up. This also brings in another aspect, some amps do Stoner better than they do jazz, and visa versa.
     
     
     [Edited by Beerman at 22:59 on 29/09/08]
   • [22:57 on 29/09/08]
8. • alan
   • I shouldn't have asked!
     
     I don't have a cab at the moment, but I have access to one/several so I basically just need a head at the mo. It's for rehearsal room sort of stuff, and hopefully gigging before too long.
     
     I really don't know what my budget is to be honest, but I don't think it'll be stretching to a Matamp etc.
     
     
     Cheers for the advice guys.
   • [23:20 on 29/09/08]
9. • Jack
   • hunt on ebay, find an awesome yet cheap bas valve amp from the 70's. It'll sound cool and you wont be too fussed if it busts. But yup find a good valve tech, they are better handled by someone with some experience
   • [01:03 on 30/09/08]
10. • Rob Smith
    • Ollie says:

      I've never been too keen on the Trace Elliot sound, I always found it a bit to clean.
      
      
      I've always thought Trace Elliott are dull & flat sounding. Same for Ashdown. I've got a Laney Richter & its awesome, bright, punchy, loud but when needed some amazing low end that can make your brian rattle. Bought it off Laddo.
      
      
      [Edited by Rob Smith at 09:29 on 30/09/08]
    • [09:25 on 30/09/08]
11. • Podge
    • Jack Dickinson says:

      hunt on ebay, find an awesome yet cheap bas valve amp from the 70's. It'll sound cool and you wont be too fussed if it busts. But yup find a good valve tech, they are better handled by someone with some experience
      
      then spend £365 getting it fixed.
      
      Tom and i have probably spent close to £750 getting old amps brought up to scratch. thats on top of what it cost to buy them
      
      could have bought some good brand new stuff for that cash
    • [11:44 on 30/09/08]
12. • Jack
    • just pick one that works from the off, plenty on offer. Alex who fixes my amps has never charged me much to fix things up. As long as its something that people can find the circuit diagrams for i.e. sound city, selmer, fender etc then its not too hard to fix. Rich has a 70's head that unfortunately cant be fixed due to the parts not being available anymore but the more well known brands have parts that can be sourced . The expensive bits that go are the power transformers etc so just check that its working when you buy. Valves are not that expensive relatively and the other parts are mostly small electrical parts
    • [11:54 on 30/09/08]
13. • Podge
    • my hiwatt worked when i bought it, then it didn't. same with Tom's roost & redbear
    • [12:11 on 30/09/08]
14. • Jack
    • Podge says:

      my hiwatt worked when i bought it, then it didn't. same with Tom's roost & redbear
      
      
      Your obviously cursed
    • [12:24 on 30/09/08]
15. • Rob Smith
    • Jack Dickinson says:

      just pick one that works from the off, plenty on offer. Alex who fixes my amps has never charged me much to fix things up. As long as its something that people can find the circuit diagrams for i.e. sound city, selmer, fender etc then its not too hard to fix. Rich has a 70's head that unfortunately cant be fixed due to the parts not being available anymore but the more well known brands have parts that can be sourced . The expensive bits that go are the power transformers etc so just check that its working when you buy. Valves are not that expensive relatively and the other parts are mostly small electrical parts
      
      
      watford valves
    • [22:37 on 30/09/08]
16. • bad admiral
    • Jack Dickinson says:

      Rich has a 70's head that unfortunately cant be fixed due to the parts not being available anymore but the more well known brands have parts that can be sourced
      
      
      very heartbreakingly true. had some delicious rumble and fuzz on it but it's cunted.
    • [11:23 on 01/10/08]
17. • Podge
    • bad admiral says:

      very heartbreakingly true. had some delicious rumble and fuzz on it but it's cunted.
      
      you wanna give my guy a shout, he'll be able to mod it so the out of date parts can be replaced with available stuff
    • [11:54 on 01/10/08]
18. • alan
    • Podge says:

      there is one available at my house.
      
      trace elliot
      
      250 watts
      
      recently serviced
      
      7 band (i think) eq
      
      i can get you the full spec when i'm home
      
      
      You got any more details about this by the way? Can't find it online.
    • [12:02 on 01/10/08]
19. • Podge
    • been meaning to put pics and info of it up here since you posted but always got sidelined... will sort it this eve.
    • [12:10 on 01/10/08]
20. • Podge
    • i also have a shed load of other musical instrument stuff i need rid off
      
      also, before they no doubt jump in... 9hz takes no responsibility for anything at any time.
    • [12:14 on 01/10/08]

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