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1. • slomo
   • Removal of Age Segregation Restriction at Corporation Shows
     
     Sheffield City Council has placed a restriction on the Public Entertainment License of Corporation live music venue. The restriction means that people under 18 years of age must be segregated from 18+ year old customers with alcohol within the venue.
     
     No similar live music venue in the city has such a restriction. We believe this restriction unfairly discriminates against younger gig goers.
     
     Corporation has be successfully and safely running live events for over ten years. Corporation is one of the top 3 live band venue and alternative music nightclubs in the UK. Having been voted into the top 3 Rock Clubs in the UK by Kerrang and the venue won Best Club Night in the UK, for DROP on Friday nights in Metal Hammer.
     
     Petition
     
     We are about to challenge Sheffield City Council through the courts with regard to their decision that the Corporation (and only Corporation) has to segregate under 18s and over 18s at live shows.
     
     If you would like to see this restriction removed, then please feel free to sign our petition here.
     
     Thank you from all the staff at Corporation, all the bands who have played and all the bands who will now play in the future.
     
     CLICK HERE TO CAST YOUR VOTE AND LEAVE COMMENT!
     
     THANKS IN ADVANCE.
   • [16:39 on 09/06/09]
2. • noone
   • Does this mean Corp will have to stop letting in under 18's to all it's club nights?
     The place is full of them every Friday and Monday.
     I guess that's just their way of challenging the council though.
   • [16:59 on 09/06/09]
3. • Podge
   • i think i only went to about 5 gigs before i was 18 and non of them at the corp but i've signed it non the less.
   • [17:08 on 09/06/09]
4. • noone
   • Less kids at gigs sounds like a good idea to me but then I'm old and grumpy and Corp never book any bands I'm interested in seeing.
     I haven't signed the petition because I think it's a bit dishonest of corp to claim they are challenging this decision for the benefit of under 18's when the truth of the matter is they are worried about loss of ticket sales.
     Out of interest , does the new ruling affect the Carling Academy and Leadmill too?
     It'd be very unfair if it didn't.
   • [18:15 on 09/06/09]
5. • Carey
   • The initial post suggests that this ruling only affects Corp. I have been to recent gigs at the Academy where under 18s were not segregated.
   • [18:56 on 09/06/09]
6. • noone
   • I would hazard a guess then that corp's local reputation as a bit of a dive with low standards and a lax door policy has something to do with it.
     Many people regard it as a place where you can go when you're too drunk to be admitted any where else and bad behaviour and debauchery is tolerated.
     Then there's the embarrassing business of the under age girls flashing their tits for the Nuts magazine photographer on a night out there.
     Until it shakes off this reputation I think it will always face a hard time from the council and licensing.
   • [20:12 on 09/06/09]
7. • Carey
   • Most of what you've said, although valid, is to do with club nights though. I think a kneejerk regulation requiring a single club, built without this possibility in mind, to enforce segregation using makeshift barriers, leads to at best inconvenience and at worst, serious safety hazards for the under and over age. I've never seen a 14-18 year old causing any trouble whatsoever at any gig. It's always middle-aged men acting like dicks and bruising my feet.
   • [20:27 on 09/06/09]
8. • noone
   • The fact of the matter is though, Carey , it IS a night club from the minute it opens till the minute it closes.
     More often than not the gigs run straight into the club nights and soon after the bands have packed away you suddenly find yourself in the middle of loads of young skinny boys with floppy hair swinging their overnight fully tattooed arms around and if alcohol is being served all the way through the proceedings what is the most effective way of making sure no minors are served?
     IDing everyone everytime with every purchase?
     Wrist bands which are so easily swapped or damaged?
     STOP serving alcohol during gigs?
     I'm not picking holes in this plan to be vindictive I'm merely playing devil's advocate.
     They ( corp ) have to take responsibility at some point during their onslaught of flogging booze hand over fist.
     Perhaps it is a bad idea having all age shows in licensed venues?
     Can you imagine any the big dance music nightclubs in town having all age DJ nights and trying to police them?
     chaos.
     
     [Edited by noone at 20:50 on 09/06/09]
   • [20:39 on 09/06/09]
9. • Carey
   • I totally agree that they need to take responsibility and make sure the licensing laws are obeyed, how to do it, as you point out, is far more problematic. But I'd much prefer a no alcohol policy to rickety barriers that force overcrowding and restricted views.
   • [21:30 on 09/06/09]
10. • noone
    • I'd be fine with a no alcohol policy too , watching the bands is preferable to a que at the bar.
      I don't think Corp would go for this for the obvious reasons. Loss of revenue.
      And here we are back where we started! : Corp want to maximise their door sales without compromising their bar sales.
      Brings into question their credentials as champions of the all ages show cause doesn't it?
      interesting debate this one.
    • [21:38 on 09/06/09]
11. • Carey
    • I think the point is that segregation and discrimination are not the same thing. If, as a result of this ruling, Corporation no longer allows under-18s to gigs, I do think that's a shame. Currently, this is not happening. It's not really discrimination to refuse to allow under 18s into areas where age-restricted products are for sale. However, to apply this ruling only to Corporation and not to any other nightclub IS discrimination and if this is the case, that isn't fair.
      
      I'd question whether it was feasible for any UK venue to stay open without profits from alcohol, though. So until capitalism collapses, we may be stuck in this ethical morass.
      
    • [21:46 on 09/06/09]
12. • Eggy
    • Many gigs i go to a don't drink alcohol as i work afterwards, but the gigs i experienced with segregation in place were shit as i'm normally in the minority as the people i wish to stand with prefer to drink. Most gigs are taken place in pubs/clubs and drink and live music usually go together. It seems poor of the council to use rules at the corporation but no other venue, and i did say when the segregration was in place, if i had a choice to go to corp or another live venue to see the band without segregation i'd more than likely choose the other venue. If to have a drink while watching a band your resorted to staying in the little "room"/bar area, miles away from the stage then it's quite pathetic.
      
      The worse experience for me was when i went on a friday or saturday night (probably the latter), i was undecided whether to drive or drink, i decided the latter, the gig - i think it was Nebula/Pilgrim Fathers, was in the small room, drinks were not allowed in the room where the gig was held due to underage gig goers so anyone wanting to drink had to stay at the bar in the other room. Fortunately after a while whoever was on duty noticed that no underage fans were present so allowed people to drink while watching the gig, but that really is stupid when you pay to go to a gig at a drinking establishment, but cannot watch the band while having a drink. I perfer not to get rat arsed when watching bands as i want to enjoy and remember but if people aren't allowed a couple of drinks while watching a band in a venue that serves alcohol then the world is a retarded place.
      
      If the council are that scared of underage drinkers just put an age limit of 18 on gigs at corp. That's the way it used to be at gigs isn't it. But then there wasn't the fines for serving underage kids like there is today.
    • [07:58 on 10/06/09]
13. • noone
    • Eggy under age drinking has been illegal as long as there has been an age limit.
      I don't think the council are 'scared' of them , I think they're trying to enforce the licensing law.
      I've re-read your post and , without wanting to offend , I still can't find a point of any kind.
      If you could shed some light on the matter that'd be great.
    • [11:13 on 10/06/09]
14. • Podge
    • it seems an ill thought out attempt at correcting some wrongs.
      
      i agree with Kev's comments on maximum tickets &bar sales but having it just at the corp seems silly. it should be city wide or scrapped.
    • [11:47 on 10/06/09]
15. • slomo
    • The point is we are the only venue in Sheffield that at a SHOW (not club nights) has to seperate out under 18's from over 18's in specific designated areas. This wont happen at a club night because you CANNOT be in corp if you are under 18 for a club night. And a few customers have been annoyerd at the rigorous I.D'ing of everyone who comes through the door.
      
      The point with the seperation means you as an adult cannot stand at the front and enjoy the show with a beer, because you will be in an area with under 18's. Yet you can go into a pub at 16 without drinking alcohol and be surrounded by drunk people. It is discrimination at the end of the day that corp is the ONLY venue that has to do this at LIVE SHOWS. It can cause crowd problems and overcrowding at areas that are having to 'pen in' people to seperate them from the rest of the crowd. And in alot of cases parents bring their kids which means if dad wants a beer, he canot be with his son.
      
      The whole basis is it is unfair. Thats the simplicity. Catty comments and 'assumptions' aside, would you really want to see Clutch and have to stand right at the back because you wanted a beer? For alot of you I would doubt it.
    • [14:03 on 10/06/09]
16. • mamba
    • They do this (well they did last time I was there) at The Face Bar in Reading and it does suck. They even had to do it when there were about 20 people there for Abominable Iron Sloth. I was at the bar.
    • [14:27 on 10/06/09]
17. • Gareth
    • I signed it. The title was a bit melodramatic and it doesn't seem like the biggest issue but if it's a rule then it should apply to everyone or no-one, not just Corp.
    • [19:10 on 10/06/09]
18. • noone
    • I agree and wish you well.
      but maintain my aggressive non-sympathetic to children stance.
      [Edited by noone at 19:43 on 10/06/09]
    • [19:36 on 10/06/09]
19. • Eggy
    • slomo says:

      The point is we are the only venue in Sheffield that at a SHOW (not club nights) has to seperate out under 18's from over 18's in specific designated areas. This wont happen at a club night because you CANNOT be in corp if you are under 18 for a club night. And a few customers have been annoyerd at the rigorous I.D'ing of everyone who comes through the door.
      
      The point with the seperation means you as an adult cannot stand at the front and enjoy the show with a beer, because you will be in an area with under 18's. Yet you can go into a pub at 16 without drinking alcohol and be surrounded by drunk people. It is discrimination at the end of the day that corp is the ONLY venue that has to do this at LIVE SHOWS. It can cause crowd problems and overcrowding at areas that are having to 'pen in' people to seperate them from the rest of the crowd. And in alot of cases parents bring their kids which means if dad wants a beer, he canot be with his son.
      
      The whole basis is it is unfair. Thats the simplicity. Catty comments and 'assumptions' aside, would you really want to see Clutch and have to stand right at the back because you wanted a beer? For alot of you I would doubt it.
      
      
      The Clutch gig last year was one of the ones that most people on here were at, all at the front without a beer.
      
      Kev, i'm giving my experiences and views of the segregation, come on, it's pathetic that the corp is having to segregate folks when any other place that serves beer there's no segregation, if it's not needed in pubs and social clubs and festivals where families are present then why is it neccasary at corp, there's no difference is there, they are all places were people get drunk in the presence of minors.
      
      As for your comment about it always being law, yes it has always been the law but there's never been the consequences like there is today, i've working in a supermarket since i was 17, when i was 17-20 i worked on the checkouts, there were many under 18's that got served as there wasn't much chance of anyone batting an eyelid. Most of my friends started drinking in pubs and clubs when they were 16 years old and were rarely asked for ID. Thesedays there's a lot more restricitions in place to prevent underage drinking, at work our staff have to ask for ID if people look under 25 as there's a hefty fine if anyone serves someone underage, there's more of a clamp down on underage drinking now than there's ever been.
      [Edited by Eggy at 20:20 on 10/06/09]
    • [20:13 on 10/06/09]
20. • Gareth
    • ultimatekev says:

      I agree and wish you well.
      but maintain my aggressive non-sympathetic to children stance.
      
      
      Oh I still hate kids too. Just start a circle pit with them if they're annoying you at gigs.
    • [21:20 on 10/06/09]

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